and nato allies in support of military operations abroad. here's how they made that case at the hearings today. >> assertions by reporters in france, lemond, spain, el mundo, italy espresso that new york sa collected millions of phone calls are completely false. to be perfectly clear, this is not information that we collected on european citizens. it represents information that we and our nato allies have collected in defense of our countries and in support of military operations. >> so in effect they're saying there that one of the strongest reasons for this anger we've been seeing from europe started with nothing, the misinterpretation, erin, of a single powerpoint slide. >> well, we shall see. of course that was the tip of the iceberg. thanks so much to you, jim. >>> republican senator rand paul sits on both the foreign relations and homeland security committees. and senator, great to have you with us. you heard james clapper's response to the question, are america's allies spying on america. and his answer was categorical. quote unquote,